00:23:58 Douglas C Miller MD,PhD: A disadvantage of gong early is that I did not know people would want to know how many positions we have. At U Missouri we have 3 or sometimes 4 positions each year and we have never failed to fill them. The number varies with funding. We do get fellows from other schools, mostly DO schools in Kirksville MO and Kansas City MO, but usually at least half are our own MU students. 00:26:33 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): It was awesome to hear about the features of everyone's programs! 00:27:32 Stephanie Chen: Finer points of our program at U of Iowa, in case anyone is interested: 00:28:21 Stephanie Chen: we offer 6 positions to U of Iowa medical students only, we had a lull in applications during covid --- got down to 2 externs in one year -- and now seem to have bumped back up (thankfully!). Ours has been running since about the 1930s. 00:30:02 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Can you please share this presentation? 00:30:20 Fung, Mark K: Yes, presentation will be shared with everyone via the Listserver 00:31:47 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Reacted to "Yes, presentation wi..." with šŸ‘ 00:34:48 Saeed Bajestani: I have to step out for less about 5 minutes 00:37:13 Marta Margeta: I'll have to leave ~1:30 for another meeting. Thanks to the APC for setting up this super helpful group! 00:37:30 Fung, Mark K: Thanks for joining us Marta! 00:37:57 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): I wonder what the overall rate of PSFs entering/completing pathology residency is? At UPMC, we had a few who ended up not choosing pathology as a career in the early 2010s ā€¦ 00:38:12 Saeed Bajestani: Back. 00:39:12 Richard N. Mitchell: In our program only perhaps 10-15% of PSFā€™s stay in pathologyā€¦although all report that the experience is invaluable to their careers. 00:39:57 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Replying to "In our program only ..." Perhaps they become pathology "allies" ā€¦ that's positive! 00:39:59 Stephanie Chen: We've had a nice paper out of U of Iowa a few years back about our institution's path vs non-path residency, etc, Marie: Acad Pathol. 2019 Jun. PMID: 31218248 00:40:10 Richard N. Mitchell: Replying to "In our program only ..." indeed 00:40:12 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Reacted to "We've had a nice pap..." with šŸ‘ 00:40:48 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Could be a nice paper, too! 00:40:52 Deepthi Rao, MD: We have about 50+% of PSFs choosing pathology as a career 00:40:55 Nicole K. Andeen: One third for ohsu 00:42:00 Erika Bracamonte: We also had a former PSF who did a survey presented abstract at USCAP a number of years ago. About 1/3 of our PSF's chose pathology. 00:45:40 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Should there be breakout sessions explicitly for PSFs at our national meetings, like APC, USCAP, ASCP? 00:46:12 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Mark, good idea -- and hold a Webinar about it? 00:48:32 Kristin Olson, MD: It's so helpful to hear the range of approaches and the pros and cons of each, and how obstacles have been overcome. 00:49:41 Richard N. Mitchell: I donā€™t think itā€™s sufficient to just talk about PSF programs; so far the only students who apply seem to have already ā€˜discoveredā€™ pathology. We need to actually need to focus on increasing the ā€˜visibilityā€™ of pathology overallā€¦and the students will follow! 00:53:34 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): It seems that, recently, students are stepping out more frequently for a year in order to boost their CVs since Step 1 P/F -- to help differentiate themselves to PDs ā€¦ so students may be more interested to hear about a PSF even if they haven't discovered pathology yet ā€¦ ? 00:53:59 Kristin Olson, MD: I had the same thought, Marie. 00:54:08 Nicole K. Andeen: They are employees at ohsu as well. They basically all get a letter of rec which explains the year "off" 00:56:06 Richard N. Mitchell: I agree, Marie. With P/F (P/P) curricula and unscored Step I, students do look for ways to distinguish themselvesā€¦but havenā€™t yet ā€˜flockedā€™ to the PSF, mainly because I donā€™t think they understand in most medical schools what the role of a pathologist is and what a career in pathology can look like. 00:57:09 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Nicole, does your school's fin aid help coach the PSF on such matters? 00:57:12 Stephanie Chen: I hadn't thought about the PSLF aspect of being employed for that year. That's another great benefit I can advertise with. Thank you!! 01:00:16 Cade Arries (UofMN): Our curriculum is moving to a 16 month format does anyone have a PSF with this? 01:02:14 Richard N. Mitchell: We can allow students to begin in January, April, or July which accommodates the various pre-clinical curriculum timing. 01:02:26 Cade Arries (UofMN): Reacted to "We can allow student..." with šŸ‘ 01:03:46 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Next week, we have a Research Fair with all the MS1s -- we will advertise our PSF and all the other opportunities in the Dept. 01:05:54 Nicole K. Andeen: We also follow the SoM calendar so ours start in April. We have to onboard them separately from residents currently 01:06:05 Cade Arries (UofMN): Reacted to "We also follow the S..." with šŸ‘ 01:06:24 Kang, Yuna she/her (UCLA): Thank you for sharing your experiences! 01:06:34 Erika Bracamonte: Elevator speech for administration as to Pros of the program 01:06:43 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Reacted to "Elevator speech for ..." with šŸ‘ 01:07:07 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Meetings 01:07:33 Nicole K. Andeen: Some of the pros from our survey were recently published by Phoebe Hammer in Archives 01:07:36 Fung, Mark K: Agree with Elevator pitch as a product to work on as well 01:08:46 Roseann Wu: So many different aspects could be improved. Glad we're unifying to try to make the experience better for these students. 01:08:54 Nicole K. Andeen: Yes we direct our psfs to talk to the financial advisor in deans office if they like 01:09:00 Kang, Yuna she/her (UCLA): Great meeting. Thank you all! 01:09:05 Marie DeFrances, MD, PhD (she/her/hers) (Pitt/UPMC): Reacted to "Great meeting. Thank..." with šŸ‘ 01:09:11 Saeed Bajestani: Could you please add me to the list? Saeed Bajestani, USF 01:09:19 Linda Schiffhauer: Thank you! 01:09:26 Jamie Kallan: Thanks!